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Post by Felipe Muñoz on Nov 8, 2014 21:27:14 GMT
rafaelanriquez, I do not think that everything we have created must be in a museum. There are other ways to remember and learn about past things. I think that videogames are important but not that much, their story just need to be available if someone wants to know more about them. Just like I said, we are focus on the new technology and we do not have interest in how it was before. I disagree with you Felipe Muñoz, they think that those footprints and those artifacts that stayed thee would loose significance if they take them away from the moon. One of the reasons of doing all of this is that the americans want their belongings to stay there. I know they want it. However, They're not the owners of the moon and don't have the right to do it. What I mean for taking those things to a museum in their country is giving them an option for I'm not in agreement to what they are doing. If they value them as something important, they should take it home to take care of them. For me is like spending too much efforts in something that is not worth for. |
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Post by Felipe Muñoz on Nov 8, 2014 21:39:52 GMT
"I think that it is almost affecting human rights." I think that it's true claudiarobles , for it was UNESCO who declared human rights, and it's supposed that they are aware of it. |
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Post by rafaelanriquez on Nov 8, 2014 22:29:05 GMT
franciscavelasquez Actually I think that we don't have to forget where we are coming from, because that could let us go further. But of course, probably not everything should be in a museum, because people would get bored about going there, but anyway future and technology are taking over the world  claudiarobles I think that for some reason people is living in that way, actually if they wouldn't live there, the houses could be destroyed. In my opinion they have chosen live in those conditions. But I agree with you about the government should take place in the situation, and take care about them, because that could be even antisanitary.
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Post by rafaelanriquez on Nov 8, 2014 22:34:36 GMT
davidsaldanopinto I agree with you when you say that it "is a humanity treasure, especially for Catholic Church. It represents the religious beliefs of a lot of people around the world. Fix the mistakes of the woman, would not change the fact that it was destroyed." But the old lady just wanted to help and it's inevitable feel sorry for her, even she ruined a very valueable paint.
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Post by Tamara Torres on Nov 8, 2014 22:47:14 GMT
| What exactly is endangered in this story
| What things are threatening it? | What has been done so far to protect it? | Is that a realistic strategy for protecting this thing, and what are the complications-the factors that could make preservation difficult in this case? | Is it worth preserving at all, or at the cost? Why or why not? | | A1:Preserving the Passion of India’s Roots Music | The Indian traditional ancient music from the Manganiyars | This kind of music is threatened because there are few recordings of it. This music has been a spoken tradition for years; trespassed through families. Regretfully, the tradition nowadays is also endangered because, in some families, there are no inheritors willing to continue the tradition. Finally, the last threat to this music is the fact that: the percentage of people willing to listen this music rather than modern one is low. | The article talks about Ashutosh Sharma and Ankur Malhotra whose music record is recoding Manganiyars’ music to preserve it. The article also refers to the “Manganiyar Seduction,” a theatre show that features 40 Manganiyars. The show apparently went on tour outside India to show Manganiyars’ music to the world. Another initiative that has been done to preserve this music was to put on a music festival. Finally, Mr Sharma and Mr Malhotra uploaded to their website a Manganiyars’ music video which they mixed electronic music with that of the Manganiyars. | I believe that making recordings of Manganiyars’ music is a good initiative to preserve the tradition. On the other hand, I do not believe the porpoise of making those recordings should be commercial. Making music festivals it is also a great way to make the music popular. I believe that the main complication to preserve this music is to accomplish making it more popular than regular modern music.
| Yes it is. I believe that preserving culture is always worth it. I also believe that preserving this music should not be thought from a profit gain point of view. We should preserve culture because of its immense and incalculably value. | A2:Despite Good Intentions, a Fresco in Spain Is Ruined
| a century-old “ecce homo” fresco of Jesus Christ painted on the Santuario de la Misericordia in Spain
| The main threat for the “ecce homo” painting was the poor painting abilities of Mrs Giménez applied to restore the art piece. Another threat that is implied by the article is the time damage. The painting had been a long time without being restore before Mr. Giménez tried to do it.
| It seems that before this unfortunate episode, there were not many efforts made to maintain the integrity of the art work. On the contrary, now that the damage has been done, the authorities had declared that they were trying to return the work to its original state. They also declared that they were considering taking legal action against Ms. Giménez, but I do not believe that would make any good to the damaged painting. | No it is not. Waiting until time notoriously damages the paint is inadmissible. The clerk authorities of even the Spain government authorities¬ related to the culture preservation entities should have done something before. | Yes it is. This painting has been in the Sanctuary for centuries, and just like to Mrs Giménez this painting is her favourite, there might be many others that feel the same. I believe that is worth to restore the painting because it has a spiritual significance for the believers. | A3: Is That Just Some Game? No, It’s a Cultural Artefact
| Old-fashioned video games | The main threat to those vintage video games is the fast evolution that technology has brought to video games development. Games developer companies are always modernizing their consoles, so is harder being able to play them. Furthermore, nowadays you can buy a new video game every day, so the possibility of playing the same one for a long period is less likely to happen. | Mr. Lowood submitted a proposal to the Library of Congress. If this proposal is accepted it could be a serious intention of preserving this videogames. | No is not. I do not think is a realistic strategy to preserve those video games. The video games developer companies are the ones that should concern about preserving the remarkable video games. At the end, the ones who owned the licences to keep on selling or discard a game are the developer companies. | No is not. I think that even though is acknowledged that video games have a cultural significance and a historical significance; preserving them is not a priority. On the other hand, there is a buyer for every selling item, so if they preserve the video games to be played or purchased again, there will be someone interested. | A4: Mali City Rankled by Rules for Life in Spotlight
| The city of Djenné in Mali which contains the largest mud-brick structure in the world. | The threats that this city is exposed to are:
1. - Structure Collapses: due to the material they are made of. Mud structures require constant maintenance, and because of the high cost of the ideal materials to do it, there has been modifications to the structure making it more fragile.
2.- UNESCO restrictions: UNESCO World Heritage Centre established a norm that obliged the residents to maintain the exact same structure of the houses in order to stay in the list of World Heritage Sites. This norm can be understood as a threat because is too restrictive to the citizens. They are obliged to live in old-fashioned conditions that enhance a feeling of umbrage towards the city.
3.-The citizen disconformity: as mentioned in the previous comment, the people of Dejenné feel obliged to stay in the past. They feel that this restriction decreases their possibilities of increasing their quality of life. Those concerns among the people of Dejenné had provoked riots in the past.
| The Dejenné habitants restore the mud- structure annually but as mention before the high cost of the ideal materials has forced them to use less expensive and less appropriated ones. The habitants restore the mud but they cannot build new or modify the structures. They are forced to maintain them because the UNESCO established guidelines that demands that any alteration or reconstruction cannot alter the original. | It is. Those structures had been there for more than 2000 years. On the contrary, if the quality of life of those people does not improve, they might not be willing to maintain the city. They acknowledged that being on the list has improve their tourism, but they are not sure if is totally worth it. | I am not quite sure. I think that the city is an enormous contribution to Wold Heritage Sites, but I believe that maintaining it completely the same is not realistic. Perhaps, they should keep some houses the same (but uninhabited), and modify the others to make them more modern. UNESCO should be more sympathetic to the people and take back the restrinction. | A5:Tribe Revives Language on Verge of Extinction
| A tribe language of Siletz in Oregon, USA called Siletz Dee-ni. | Oblivion is the main threat that this language is facing. The fact that this language has a little amount of people who speaks it; makes it a candidate to be forgotten. In addition to that, globalization has generated a worldwide conception of believing that being universal (using the same language, have the traditions) is the ideal.
| An online dictionary has been created to preserve the language and expand it to other zones. Also, in Siletz schools the language is taught to children during their six grade. There is also the desire of expanding the teaching program to high school students.
| Yes it is. I think that including the language to the schools’ curriculum is a great idea to teach the importance of keeping traditions. Nonetheless I believe that the fact of learning the language should be also useful to the learners. Because of that reason, I think that the city of Siletz should include the language into their local buildings for instance.
| Yes it is. This language has survived many years and keeping it means a source of important culture heritage. I believe that is not a huge cost to include this language to the schools’ curriculum. I is not less than a great way to enrich the culture of Siletz’s citizens.
| | A6:To Preserve History on the Moon, Visitors Are Asked to Tread Lightly | The vestiges left on the moon by the American Apollo landings. | Countries like Russia and India want to send robotic landers. In addition, there is a competition created by Google Lunar X Prize to be the first organization to build a spacecraft on the moon. Those possible situations are threats to the integrity of those objects. | NASA held a workshop to teach how to preserve the place and objects. They also managed to create a bubble that will cover the surface on the moon that they want to keep. Furthermore, there is a restriction that future landers have to stay way at least 72 meters from the Apollo lander. | No is not. I think that is important to save that objects because they represent an important moment in human history, but I do not believe that almost close down the moon is the way to preserve them. We all know that the moon is a universal resource. | No is not. They should bring those objects back to earth and preserve them in a museum, but not closing down a moon area. |
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Post by bastian on Nov 8, 2014 23:23:37 GMT
Bastián Escobar:
| What exactly is endangered in this story
| What things are threatening it?
| What has been done so far to protect it?
| Is that a realistic strategy for protecting this thing, and what are the complications-the factors that could make preservation difficult in this case?
| Is it worth preserving at all, or at the cost? Why or why not?
| A1:Preserving the Passion of India’s Roots Music
| The traditional folk music of the Manganiyars, a caste of hereditary Muslim musicians. | The modernization of India is an important factor because new music styles come into the country, and it makes people forget about their traditional music. In addition, this traditional music does not have written records, and the people who play it are seniors that will die in any moment.
| Although indigenous music is not meant to be commercial, it has been mixed with electronic music so as to be more widely known. Therefore, traditional music will be more modern and contemporary.
| I think it is a good and a bad idea. First of all, I think it is good because more people will listen to it. In addition, it will be more widely known, and it will not disappear. On the other hand, I think it is a bad idea because traditional music is meant to represent the traditions and culture of a determined social group. So, mixing it with electronic music can erase those traditions and turn it into just commercial music.
| It definitely is worth it. Music is the representation of an entire social group. Every kind of music tells us about the characteristics of the people who play it. Furthermore, traditional music carries the essence of the ancestors of a culture. Music is a perfect way to keep alive the ancestors and the traditions of a social group.
| A2:Despite Good Intentions, a Fresco in Spain Is Ruined
| The “ecce homo” a century-old fresco of Jesus crowned with thorns in Santuario de la Misericordia, Spain.
| Due to the fact that this is a really old piece of art, the main threat is the pass of time. It really damaged this fresco. Additionally, an elderly woman from Spain tried to restore it, but she ended up disfiguring and ruining the piece of art.
| Before the restoration, the painting was positioned in place where anyone could damage it. Hence, nothing has been done to protect it.
| It is not realistic because the fresco was not protected at all. Even the priest, who knew about the restoration, did nothing to prevent this elderly woman to ruin the piece of art. This fresco should have been taken to a professional artist in order to have it restored.
| I don’t think it is so important to preserve it because there is a number of paintings that reflect the life of Jesus. Besides, the fresco was really damaged; it would take so much effort to restore it.
| A3: Is That Just Some Game? No, It’s a Cultural Artifact
| Old video games which were very popular in the gaming world.
| The technological revolution that encouraged people to create new and modern games and forget about these vintage games.
| A proposal was submitted to the Library of Congress in September 2006. This was made to preserve a list of 10 video games that had cultural and historical significance.
| I think it is a good idea to preserve these video games, but it depends on the Library of Congress. However, there is a big problem. Since these videogames are old, the hardware that games are played on changes frequently, so most of these vintage games must be played on computers. The problem of this is that it is a violation of the copyright laws.
| I think that it is not so important to preserve these old videogames because videogames are meant to fulfill the needs of the people, which change with the pass of time. So, as the society evolves, games should also evolve. I am not saying that the old video games should be totally forgotten, but I think they are not a priority in the gaming world.
| A4: Mali City Rankled by Rules for Life in Spotlight
| Mud-brick architecture in Djenné, Mali. Also, the progress of the townsfolk’s quality of life.
| Since the architecture is so old, and it consists of mud bricks, the main threats are collapses. Besides, the citizens want to have better houses; houses that have the basic stuff to fulfill their needs. However, in order to improve their lifestyle, they have to get rid of their houses which are part of the world heritage.
| Unesco has declared the city as “world heritage”, which means that nothing there can be altered. Additionally, authorities are looking for some method to “modernize” the townsfolk’s houses providing them the basic stuff to fulfill their necessities. All this is supposed to be done without modifying the original structures of the houses.
| It is a realistic strategy, but I don’t think it is fair for everybody. The city is protected as world heritage, so nothing is going to change. This is because they want to preserve their identity and culture. Nonetheless, time goes by, technology changes, and the necessities of people change too. Soon, people will have to quit living in those houses. It is not fair for them to keep living in poor conditions just because their houses are part of the world heritage.
| I think that it is worth it to preserve the Mosque of Djenné, but is it necessary to also preserve every house in the city? People need better life conditions. It is impossible that the population live in houses that are 2,000 years old. Houses are meant to be a place where people can fulfill their necessities and live comfortably, but this is not the case. | A5:Tribe Revives Language on Verge of Extinction
| Siletz Dee-ni, an American Indian language.
| The first threat is the small number of speakers of the language. They are only five. Another threat, I think, is globalization because it makes people want to learn the languages that are more widely spoken. The other threats are schools where this language was not taught.
| An online Siletz Dee-ni Talking Dictionary was created so as to keep the language alive. Apart from that, the language is being taught through the sixth grade in a school in Siletz.
| It is definitely a realistic strategy. I think that the dictionary will be a good way to preserve the language. Nevertheless, I am not sure if it is a good way to engage people and encourage them to speak the language. It is a very old language and almost nobody speaks it. So, why would people speak it?
| I think that languages are also worth to be preserved because they are part of culture.
| A6:To Preserve History on the Moon, Visitors Are Asked to Tread Lightly
| A number of items left behind in the tranquility base, during the first visit to the moon.
| Some robotic landers are planned to be sent to the moon by Russia and India. Other threat is the Google Lunar X Prize, a competition to become the first private organization to put a spacecraft on the moon.
| NASA held a workshop about the preservation of these items. Besides, They are giving landing recommendations for the people went to the moon in order to protect these places and items.
| I think that it is realistic because NASA is an organization that has to do with everything related to the outer space. However, I don’t think it is a good strategy because: first of all, the moon is a natural resource that belongs to nobody. Secondly, I think that these items are just objects that contribute nothing to the development of society on earth.
| I think it is not important to preserve them. Those items are just objects that have no importance for the development of society on earth. The first visit to the moon made by the man is a historic deed, but the items left in the moon are not something “cultural”. Anyways, if people wanted to preserve those elements, they should have brought them to the earth in order to have them in a museum.
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Post by simonelarrondo on Nov 8, 2014 23:34:00 GMT
| What exactly is endangered in this story? | What things are threatening it? | What has been done so far to protect it? | Is that a realistic strategy for protecting this thing, and what are the complications – the factors that could make preservation difficult in this case? | Is it worth preserving at all, or at the cost? Why or why not? | | A1: Preserving the Passion of India’s Roots Music | The preservation of the music of Mangariyars.
| There new styles of music nowadays, and with the fact that there is not written records. It’s probably that this type of music could be replace it.
| People there are trying to find the solution of this situation.
They have the idea of mix different styles: the new and the old.
| It’s a realistic strategy.
Personally I think it’s a good idea. The future generations could learn more about music.
| Music is very important. It is something that a culture has.
Usually when we are talking about the things that are part of any culture one of the things is music. And if people have the idea of preserve the music in an original way. I think it’s a good idea.
| A2: “Despite Good Intentions, a Fresco in Spain Is Ruined”
| The “ecce homo” fresco of Jesus that was painted in the 19th Century by Elías García Martínez.
| The principal threat that the fresco “ecce homo” suffered was the long period of time. Because some years later the fresco (an artistic motif that depicts Jesus) will disappear. This was problem because this fresco important for people.
People tried to find the solution for this problem, but it was worse: The fresco was ruined.
| According with Cecilia Giménez (the women who tried to restore the fresco). She said that she was upset because this fresco did have something to be protected.
| It’s not a realistic strategy.
The “ecce homo” was always a very important piece of art, and for that the people in charge of this fresco should take the proper conditions to “restore” the fresco. But they didn’t.
In the first place if they had put some protection on the painting, they won’t have this problem right now.
| I think It is important to have something to believe. For many people it’s important to have something they can see and touch. This was a beautiful piece of art until this women ruined it.
It’s important for the culture because this kind of things tells stories the future generations will want to know.
| A3: Is That Just Some Game? No, It’s a Cultural Artifact
| First Videogames
| The evolution of technology in time.
| With the idea of “a history worth preserving and a culture worth studying” a proposal was submitted to the Library of Congress.
| It’s not very realistic.
With time the technology evolves faster. However I think it’s a very good idea to have this list of games. Many children learn a new language for playing games, and involving topics of cultural and historical significance is very interesting.
Also the decision of Library Congress play an important role here.
| I think videogames are important because in some way you can learn many things about a culture in an interactive way. For example learn another language.
| A4: Mali City Rankled by Rules for Life in Spotlight.
| Djenné, an ancient city in Eastern Mali
| Mud houses are very fragile, and it is probably that can collapse in any moment. Trying to restore this houses is very dangerous if you don’t have all the resources needed.
| Unesco established some guidelines that demands that any reconstruction can't alter the original place.
| These places have been conserved for many years.
In some way they are protected, but also it is very dangerous that people live in mud houses. In any moment an accident can happen. Things have changed nowadays, and living in better conditions is one of them.
| I think it could be a good idea to conserve these places, but people shouldn’t live there, because is not safe, or healthy. Nowadays it doesn’t have the conditions for people to live there.
| A5: Tribe Revives Language on Verge of Extinction.
| The extinction of a language called Siletz Dee-ni.
| The schools. Because since these institutions the language wasn’t taught anymore.
Not many people speak the language, so that is a clue that the language is going to be extinct very soon.
| An online Siletz Dee-ni talking dictionary has been created with the objective of being used in others areas.
| It’s a realistic strategy. Because creating a new dictionary is a good idea to keep the language. But one thing is having people who speak the language, and the other is the language in books.
| I think it is worth to be preserved.
Each language is important for their own culture, and the history.
If nowadays people don’t use this language, it doesn’t mean that people have to forget that in some point existed.
| | A6: To Preserve History on the Moon, Visitors Are Asked to Tread Lightly. | Some American items left on the moon during the Apollo mission.
| The countries Russia and India are planning to robotic landers to the moon.
Also one of the principal threats is that there is a competition of 26 teams that want to be the first private organization to put a spacecraft on the moon.
| NASA held a workshop about the preservation issue, and also some recommendations about how to balance historic preservation with the likely desire in the future.
| It is realistic.
NASA has implement some sort of things such as a workshop and also some recommendations the countries have to follow.
We have to remember that 100 nations have signed “The Outer Space Treaty” in which they agree not to claim sovereignty over any part of the moon.
| I think it is not worth to be preserved.
The moon doesn’t belong to anyone in particular. A treaty called “The Outer Space Treaty” is a proof of that.
These American item that are in the moon could be on the earth. Where everyone could see them.
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Post by bastian on Nov 8, 2014 23:36:36 GMT
jessicarojas I agree with you when you say that "It´s unfair for the people living in Djenné to be forced to live in a museum". It is not human to force them to live in a place where they cannot even have the basic stuff to fulfill their needs.
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Post by valentinac on Nov 8, 2014 23:40:13 GMT
Valentina Carrizo
TASK 1—PRESERVING CULTURE AND ITS COMPONENTS. IS IT WORTH IT?
A1: Preserving the Passion of India’s Roots Music
What exactly is endangered in this story? A style of music from Indian Muslim, called Manganiyar
What things are threatening it? It is very hard to find people who play this type of music and it is mainly played by old people. Also, Indians prefer “new” music such as Bollywood music or music from other countries
What has been done so far to protect it?
An independent record label was created to preserve and popularize this kind music.
Is that a realistic strategy for protecting this thing, and what are the complications – the factors that could make preservation difficult in this case?
I think the intentions were good but the strategy itself not very realistic because this type of music is manly heard by old people and I think they rather listen to music live than recordings. Also not a lot of them know how to use a computer and even less how to download a file.
Is it worth preserving at all, or at the cost? Why or why not?
Yes, I think folk music and every style of music of music should be preserved at all costs because is a big part of the culture and the history of a country. Through music artists tell a story and express feelings.
A2: Despite Good Intentions, a Fresco in Spain Is Ruined
What exactly is endangered in this story?
The ecce homo, a painting of Jesus made by Elias Garcia Martinez in the 19th century
What things are threatening it?
The fresco was damaged because of time and I would also say because it was not kept and taken care of properly. And as we read in the article it was later ruined by an elderly woman who tried to restore it and at the end she only made it worse.
What has been done so far to protect it?
Before Cecilia Gimenez apparently nothing had been made to protect the fresco. IT was in a church and I think this type of art should have been in a museum where it would be safe and kept properly.
Is that a realistic strategy for protecting this thing, and what are the complications – the factors that could make preservation difficult in this case?
Well, the fresco is now ruined, so I would say no. Cecilia’s intentions might have been good but her “restore” turned out to be the worse restoration in history.
Is it worth preserving at all, or at the cost? Why or why not?
All type of art is worth preserving and this one specially because of its age. Also, the catholic religion has been a huge part of history and I think the church should be more careful with its art.
A3: Is That Just Some Game? No, It’s a Cultural Artifact
What exactly is endangered in this story?
Video games.
What things are threatening it?
Technology itself. The artifacts where video games where played are no longer sold so they are almost extinct
What has been done so far to protect it?
A proposal was submitted to the Library of Congress to safeguard a list of 10 videogames that were pioneers in its genre.
Is that a realistic strategy for protecting this thing, and what are the complications – the factors that could make preservation difficult in this case?
Yes, what better way to protect something relevant than a library? But I think they should also add to the list the console or artifact where said video games are played.
Is it worth preserving at all, or at the cost? Why or why not?
I have my doubts. If you ask me now, I would probably say no because they are just games and don’t really mean nothing to me. But I would also say yes because video games are part of our culture and preserving them for future generations means that those generations would see a little part of the way we live now.
A4: Mali City Rankled by Rules for Life in Spotlight
What exactly is endangered in this story?
Modernization in the town of Djenné and also ancient houses and buidings.
What things are threatening it?
One threatens the other. People from that town do not want continue living like they were in another era, they want modernization but they cannot have this because it would mean they have to destroy or harm building that are famous for its architecture.
What has been done so far to protect it?
The mosque has been restored several times and Unesco put the entire town in the national heritage list, meaning that no changes can be made to the mosque or the mud houses where people actually live.
Is that a realistic strategy for protecting this thing, and what are the complications – the factors that could make preservation difficult in this case?
No, because at least the houses are private property, they have owners, and if you own a thing it means you can do whatever you want with it. Also people have the right to live in a safe place and have basic things such as running water.
Is it worth preserving at all, or at the cost? Why or why not?
It is worth preserving places with rich and beautiful architecture but I think it is not worth it. Every human being has the right to live they want to.
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Post by simonelarrondo on Nov 8, 2014 23:45:54 GMT
rafaelanriquez "As human beings, have to preserved our origin, we don't have to forget where we are from." I think that is a good point. The laguague existed before, and it was important for people in that time. We don't have to forget that existed.
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Post by erikamantra on Nov 8, 2014 23:49:26 GMT
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Post by bastian on Nov 8, 2014 23:50:01 GMT
Felipe Muñoz I agree with you when you say "I think they couldn’t compete against the newer games." It is known that society changes, and the new generations need new and modern stuff to fulfill their needs. Video games are meant to fit the needs (and the technology) of the people of certain periods of time. Therefore, the modern games will be more attractive to the new generations.
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Post by erikamantra on Nov 8, 2014 23:53:24 GMT
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Post by rafaelanriquez on Nov 8, 2014 23:53:54 GMT
simonelarrondo I agree with you when you said "The moon doesn’t belong to anyone in particular." unfortunately there are people that don't think like that, especially those countries that think that they have power and control of the other. Every natural thing belongs to the nature, In my opinion I think that we as humas are just invited in this world, and for that reason we have to take care of everything.
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Post by bastian on Nov 9, 2014 0:05:17 GMT
simonelarrondo I agree with you when you said "The moon doesn’t belong to anyone in particular." unfortunately there are people that don't think like that, especially those countries that think that they have power and control of the other. Every natural thing belongs to the nature, In my opinion I think that we as humas are just invited in this world, and for that reason we have to take care of everything. I agree with both of you. The moon is part of the entire ecosystem that we call our home. We re just a little tiny part of it. However, ambition is a powerfull and deadly feeling that leads humans to try to own everything just to feel superior. |
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